Tom Smith

Televangelist Oral Roberts has passed away at the age of 91.

You know how I feel about the man and his work. But... an old man, a fellow human, has died. May he rest well. Condolences to his family and friends.

... Maybe that didn't pop out right. But still.

This country has an unhealthy, ridiculous obsession with sex. Some see it as Teddibly Teddibly Harmful, to the point that even a flash of what turned out to be a covered nipple sent paroxysms of freak-out across the nation (most of which were by the vast profusion of self-appointed scolds; everybody else DVR'd and downloaded that clip like crazy). Others want every bit of stimulation and titillation they can find. I think the vast majority of us are somewhere in the middle: Yeah, sex is fantastic, but now and then somebody's gotta do the laundry.

I am a heterosexual male. I love looking at breasts, under most circumstances. But I'm no longer fourteen, y'know? And even if I was, it's not like a breast-feeding mom is offering her other breast, goin', "Hey, sailor, check it out." (I understand that there are guys who go to Lamaze classes for unwed mothers, cruising for a date: they have tangible proof that the girl puts out. I wish to FSM I was kidding.)

Fer cryin' out loud, all you need to do to see all the nekkid boobies you can possibly handle, har har, is to turn off Safe Search on Google.

If you are threatened, offended, disturbed, riveted, whatever, by the flash of a nipple, especially from a breastfeeding mother, something is not right and it's likely you. And if your concept of civilization can be threatened by it, maybe you should put the deck of cards away and start using bricks and mortar.

Yeah, the state senate of New York voted down the gay marriage bill yesterday. Delaying the inevitable, perpetuating discrimination and inflicting religious beliefs on people by law. But at least one good thing came out of it.

I found about State Senator Diane Savino, who gave an amazing speech when she voted for the bill:

And she's got a rock-solid argument.

... this might help to put things in perspective.

'Cause that's really what the abortion issue comes down to.

Because Matthew Shepard Can't, and I Can - THAT'S why.


(nicked from chaosdancer)

What's your score?

A lot of people have posted this, and if you haven't seen it you really need to.

Two items a number of people sent me yesterday: A federal judge has demanded that the supporters of Prop 8 (which bans same-sex marriage in California) show what harm they suffer from same-sex marriages, and an interracial couple was denied a marriage license in Louisiana.

Re: the former, good. Frickin' well about time it was bluntly put in those terms.

Re: the latter, jayzus.

"I'm not a racist. I just don't believe in mixing the races that way,"

Ummm, guy? That makes you a racist.

I also love how he's doing it because of the possible harm to any children. He's the one who says their parents don't belong together because of their skin color. He's the one leading the pack on stigmatizing the kids.

I could've sworn I lived in the 21st century.

The Huffington Post informs us about a painting by Jon McNaughton, inspired by a vision he had last year. "One Nation Under God" has some fascinating ideas on who would be associated with either Jesus or Satan, and why.

A slightly different interp of the same painting can be found here. There's also this one, showing what members of Jesus' team actually said about religion.

And then there's the Cthulhu version (gory).

Thoughts?

Michael Schwartz, chief of staff for Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), discussing pornography in a panel on "The New Masculinity":

But it is my observation that boys at that age have less tolerance for homosexuality than just about any other class of people. They speak badly about homosexuality. And that’s because they don’t want to be that way. They don’t want to fall into it. And that’s a good instinct. After all, homosexuality, we know, studies have been done by the National Institute of Health to try to prove that its genetic and all those studies have proved its not genetic. Homosexuality is inflicted on people....

And one of the things that [a "very good friend... who was in the homosexual lifestyle for a long time"] said to me, that I think is an astonishingly insightful remark. He said, “all pornography is homosexual pornography because all pornography turns your sexual drive inwards. Now think about that. And if you, if you tell an 11-year-old boy about that, do you think he’s going to want to go out and get a copy of Playboy? I’m pretty sure he’ll lose interest. That’s the last thing he wants.” You know, that’s a, that’s a good comment. It’s a good point and it’s a good thing to teach young people....

[I]f it doesn’t turn you homosexual, it at least renders you less capable of loving your wife. And it’s something you need to be healed of.

I don't have any idea what to say in response to this, apart from expressing incredible sympathy for him because of whatever screwed him up so badly.

This is not about whether abortion is murder. I happen to believe it is not, but that's not pertinent right now.

Here in Michigan, a man was murdered yesterday for carrying graphic anti-abortion signs. The killer apparently didn't like the look of them.

Let me reiterate that, using the words of this diary at Daily Kos:

He didn't think it appropriate to show signs of aborted fetuses in front of a school so he murdered somebody in front of a school.

Apparently the killer had a grudge against the two men who were slain, and was on his way to kill a third.

There are a hell of a lot of people I disagree with. I would never, for the briefest instant, consider killing them. Or physically hurting them. Or even raising my voice in most cases. The nastiest violence I've ever really wanted to do to someone is a good bitch-slapping (on a few guys whose names rhyme with Tush, Brainy, Stove, Bum Smelled, and Pistol).

The entire point of free speech is protecting speech you don't agree with. I don't like anti-abortion protests, not because they say something I disagree with but because they tend to use harassment, intimidation, and illegal blockading of medical facilities to deny women legal medical procedures. They can say whatever the hell they want.

Violence is the line that should never be crossed. And it was yesterday, and two men died. And it doesn't matter that one of them was a passionate activist in favor of something I am very much against -- even though of course it does matter, because his passionate activism led to his death. It doesn't matter what he thought, what he felt, what he believed. No one will ever have the chance to change his mind, show him other possibilities, engage him in debate.

No one will ever hug him, hold him, tell him they love him, get him something for Christmas.

He's fuckin' dead. Because someone decided to kill him. For disagreeing.

Murder is always incredibly wrong, incredibly evil. This... somehow seems worse.

My deepest condolences go out to the families and friends of James Pouillon and Mike Fuoss. May you find some semblance of peace.

Blasphemy is now illegal. I'm sure that won't cause any problems.

Goddamn morons.

How can they claim their god is all-powerful when He is so weak, pitiful, and defenseless that they have to outlaw saying potentially bad things about Him?

Gaaaaaaaaah.

(h/t Daily Kos)

Frickin' well about time. Here's the money quote:

The right to freely exercise one's religion "does not relieve an individual of the obligation to comply with a valid and neutral law of general applicability," the 9th Circuit panel wrote.

"Any refusal to dispense -- regardless of whether it is motivated by religion, morals, conscience, ethics, discriminatory prejudices, or personal distaste for a patient -- violates the rules," the panel said.

Thanks to filkerdave for the heads-up.

In the 17th Century, Archbishop James Ussher of Armagh worked out his own timeline for the history of the Biblical world, starting with the precise moment when God said "Let there be light" -- nightfall preceding October 23, 4004 B.C.

It was a well-meant calculation, but it has a few problems -- inconsistency of written records, lack of a formal calendar for much of the period covered in the Bible, and ignorance of science. (Not to mention that, if Light was created at nightfall, then either there wasn't a night, or it took God several hours to pull the trigger. Not precisely omnipotent, but hey.) For the most part, it's been abandoned as a serious chronology.

But not by everyone. Many Biblical literalists insist that God spake in 4004 B.C., and all the evidence of anything before that time -- fossils, geologic layers, older civilization, whatever -- was put there by God to test the faith of his children.

And some of those children are using their concept of the age of the earth to influence environmental law. In this case, the argument literally is, the earth is 6,000 years old, and somehow it survived before environmental regulation, and we need the money, and you'll never even know the uranium mine is there.

Short-term profit at the expense of the only environment we have. Blind faith. Mistrust of science because they feel it threatens their faith.

I just don't get it. And I don't think I ever will.

( Seriously, if you read this you might decide to un-Friend me, and I will understand.... )

And, coming off the last post, here's a little tidbit for anyone who FUCKING DARES to say that the murder of Dr. George Tiller was not terrorism.

His clinic is being closed, effective immediately.

Don't agree with the law? Don't like what someone's doing, legally, that doesn't affect you? Just kill 'em, and they'll be dead and their business will close and women will be deprived of their rights and workers of their careers and one guy of his life but that's okay because your flavor of Baby Jeebus will stop crying. For now.

Some people think that's the American fucking way.

My comments to the New York Times opinion pages tend not to get posted. I get cranky. And this morning has got me really cranky.

See, a few months ago, after an appalling year of lies, bullshit, and warmongering by William "The Bloody" Kristol, they got a new guy at the NYT: Ross Douthat, who was known as a conservative but reputed to be calm and thoughtful. Well, that didn't last long. He's just another one toeing the party line. Fine. Fine fine fine.

But this morning's opus was something else again. It's about Dr. George Tiller and the abortion debate, and it's calm and thoughtful and so full of shit it needs fiber supplements and Drano. But it all comes down to the same thing, again: who decides what is a "good" abortion?

So I thought I'd post my comment here, just in case.

Nice to see Bill Kristol's standards for utter, consistent wrongness are being upheld.

It doesn't matter what you think of the evidence. It doesn't matter what any evangelical nutbars think of the evidence. It's a legal medical procedure, it's none of your business, and you and all the rest of the holier-than-thous wouldn't kick in one red cent to take care of the baby or the mother.

So your opinion means zippety-doo-dah, except of course for muddying the debate by making people wonder if, gosh, maybe the murdering terrorist currently complaining about the conditions in his cell while they BURIED his victim the other day, maybe that killer has a valid point.

I wish upon you what I wish upon all sanctimonious pro-birthers: your very own womb, so someone else can claim dominion over it.

Athenae over at First Draft has an excellent take on it as well.

My ass.

Abortion provider George Tiller was shot to death today, in the lobby of the church he attended.

This man helped women with difficult decisions regarding their own bodies, health, and lives.

Another man, who believed his God wants more births, shot up a church to kill him.

I don't care which side of the debate you take. This is wrong on every level.

And if you honestly believe that some gestating cells, the potential for a human life, have some sort of equivalency with this man's existence -- especially if you bring up the knee-jerk argument about "late-term abortions" without realizing that late-term abortions are almost always performed as a last resort to save the mother from being killed by an unviable pregnancy -- then perhaps you should ask yourself precisely what "pro-life" means to you.

I'm sure we'd all be fascinated by the answer.

ETA: jblaque links us to reaction from the Freepers.

(h/t beldar)

The arguments against same-sex marriage are getting more and more ludicrous, but this is getting into seriously whacked-out territory. I can't even intelligently summarize it -- just go look.

The news I want to link to is all there anyway:

• Majority of Americans say gay marriage not a threat to heterosexual marriage
• Maine House passes same-sex marriage bill (the Senate passed the same bill last week, and Gov. John Baldacci is expected to sign it)
• Obama's mother baptized as a Mormon after her death

That last one troubles me greatly. I mean, the Mormons apparently do this all the time. It's just fuckin' bizarre. It tries to co-opt, or erase, people's heritages and choices. It falsely makes the church look more popular than it is. And it reduces human lives to frequent-friar points or somethin'.

This isn't Pokemon, Gotta Catch 'Em All.

The only possible good thing about this is that somebody is likely to inform the President of the United States that his dead mother is now retroactively a Mormon. I'm sure that'll play well.

ETA: It's on the news.

It's been 100 days since Barack Obama took office as president, and all over the web you can find analyses, scorecards, praises, tirades and grumblings. But I'd like to take a moment to talk about the other side of the equation.

( The absolutely apeshit demented behavior by Conservatives and their supporters [WARNING: Long, long post].... )

In case you didn't figure it out, the question I asked in the last thread -- how would you convince our friends to leave Texas in case it secedes -- was facetious. I don't want Texas to secede, it's against the law for it to secede, and I'm quite sure most of our friends there are quite happy.

This does not mean the state doesn't need some work:

Bill Nye, the harmless children's edu-tainer known as "The Science Guy," managed to offend a select group of adults in Waco, Texas at a presentation, when he suggested that the moon does not emit light, but instead reflects the light of the sun.

...

... [N]othing got people as riled as when he brought up Genesis 1:16, which reads: "God made two great lights -- the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars."

The lesser light, he pointed out, is not a light at all, but only a reflector.

At this point, several people in the audience stormed out in fury. One woman yelled "We believe in God!" and left with three children....

Now, in fairness, this happened three years ago (thanks to hughcasey for noticing what I did not). I'm sure things have gotten much better since.

Original story here, with a hat tip to admnaismith.

Seriously. If you get any other message than that out of this, I'd like to hear it.

Thanks to kobold for the heads-up.

You may recall Andy Cobb's hilarious Teabag Party! video from last week. Well, he's got a sequel (NOT SAFE FOR WORK):

(h/t AmericaBlog)

ETA: For all your teabagging needs, check out Save The Rich.

On the heels of teabagging, the Rachel Maddow vids from last week, and AmazonFail... we have something better.

Two Men For Marriage.

james_the_evil1 tells us all about it:

As some of you may be aware, well known "conservative," columnist, and hard-core bigot Maggie Gallagher runs an organization known as "NOM." Contrary to the name, "NOM" is not for kittehs eating cheezburgers but in fact stands for "National Organization for Marriage." Their campaign uses many of the traditional stupid arguments to "fight" gay marriage. With the victories for gay marriage in Iowa and Vermont in recent weeks the NOM people decided they needed to "step it up" a notch and launch a NEW branded campaign to "save" marriage.

However, in a STUNNING show of ignorance the NOM folks decided to name their campaign "Two Million For Marriage" and IN THEIR OWN BRANDING call it "2M4M." Yes, that's right, they named their anti-gay initiative with the acronym for "2 men for male," a personal ad code for a gay couple seeking a third for threesomes. This's invited a bunch of scorn in the media, alongside what's being directed at other conservatives for calling their "anti taxes" groups "teabaggers," again missing out on the sexual context.

More to the point, and this is how YOU can help, they COMPLETELY failed to snatch up ANY of the internet real-estate related to the name!!!! So cambler bought http://www.2M4M.org and set it up as an ANTI-NOM site with education and facts to counter NOM's bigotry & fearmongering. A friend of his set up an LJ com for it, 2m4m, and Chris put it on Twitter http://twitter.com/2m4m. A person or persons unknown also set up a blogspot for it: http://2m4m.blogspot.com/ with some content from the 2M4M site.

This is where YOU GUYS come in... help us spread the word! We need to socialize http://www.2M4M.org so when people search for it they find IT instead of NOM's bigotry. So please visit http://www.2M4M.org, DIGG it, Delicious it, blog about it, link to it, pass it on to your friends, follow it on Twitter (it already has more followers than the official NOM Tweet), make it the defining destination. Right now Googling 2M4M brings up this site and not NOM's, and we'd like to keep it that way. Please help?

What are your favorite chocolate candies (assuming you can have them)? Mine are Ghirardelli's Milk Chocolate and Caramel Squares, Hershey's Kisses (regular, Caramel, or Cherry Cordial), Junior Mints, Mounds bars, and Hershey's Kissables. And Milky Way. Oh, my god, Milky Way.

Fantastic:

Vermont on Tuesday became the fourth state to legalize gay marriage — and the first to do so with a legislature's vote.

The House recorded a dramatic 100-49 vote — the minimum needed — to override Gov. Jim Douglas' veto. Its vote followed a much easier override vote in the Senate, which rebuffed the Republican governor with a vote of 23-5.

Vermont was the first state to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples and joins Connecticut, Massachusetts and Iowa in giving gays the right to marry. Their approval of gay marriage came from the courts.

Tuesday morning's legislative action came less than a day after Douglas issued a veto message saying the bill would not improve the lot of gay and lesbian couples because it still would not provide them rights under federal and other states' laws.

House Speaker Shap Smith's announcement of the vote brought an outburst of jubilation from some of the hundreds packed into the gallery and the lobby outside the House chamber, despite the speaker's admonishment against such displays.

I'm just delighted. The gay-marriage opponents (such as Pastor Rick Warren) are trying to outrun time, and it still comes down to What Business Is It Of Anybody's.

Here's some analysis by John Aravosis of AmericaBlog. But I think we can also handle that duty ourselves.

ETA: Even better -- the Council of the District of Columbia voted yesterday to recognize other states' gay marriages as legal:

Domestic partnerships are already legal in the nation's capital. But yesterday's vote, billed as an important milestone in gay rights, explicitly recognizes relocated gay married couples as married.

Fan effin tastic.

( ... you really ought to give Iowa a try.... )

About a month ago, stemdude reminded me that Obama had not yet reversed Bush's ban on federal funding for stem cell research. And, stemdude, I'm sorry I didn't get back to you -- just a busy crazy time there, and it slipped my mind. But, indeed, one of the simplest and yet potentially most helpful acts that could be done... hadn't been done yet.

But it has been now.

ETA: A very important detail about the way our obnoxious, evil, complicit mainstream media is framing part of this story -- supposedly, Obama is avoiding addressing a separate legislative ban on the funding. That would be because it's Congress's job, and so, legally, he can't.

That separation-of-powers thing that Cheney thought was so Old European, or somethin'.

Would it kill them to take fifteen seconds and follow this stuff up? Yes, yes, I know, it would. Sigh.

ETA2: I deleted a comment (and the comments that followed it) because it got out of line. Please don't make me do it again.

( Warning: Tom is rather cranky behind the cut.... )

Mother of God.

Not so very long ago, we used to wonder not merely what but how many offensive, obnoxious, stupid, and/or illegal things BushCo would do on any given day.

Now?

• Obama To Rescind "Conscience" Rule
• Interior Secretary Salazar Cancels Oil Shale Leases On Public Lands In Colorado, Utah, And Wyoming
• Obama Announces Combat Mission In Iraq To Be Complete By August 31, 2010, All Troops To Be Out Of Iraq By End Of 2011

And, in case you hadn't noticed it, remember the family-planning stuff that got cut out of the stimulus because Repubs were terrified people might have sex or somethin'? Slipped into the 2010 budget.

Holy FSM.

Thoughts?

Because nobody deserves to be in the closet. Or to die a little every day just because they are who they are.

(h/t beldar)

This morning I found out about a new wave of child pr0n sweeping the nation: "sexting".

( Cut for length and possible squeamish subject matter.... )

ETA: Tweaked to add a few thoughts along the way.

Big day if you're into High School Musical. Apart from that, the things I have some interest in are Bill Maher's Religilous; Changeling, directed by Eastwood, written by JMS, starring Jolie; and a direct-to-video of Clive Barker's The Midnight Meat Train, starring Brooke Shields, Ted Raimi, and Vinnie (I'm The Juggernaut Bitch) Jones.

Any other new vid we should know about?

As you may have already seen, there's a petition campaign with a video going around, trying to stop the California Supreme Court from the noxious lawsuit filed by the equally noxious Ken Starr, attempting to divorce the 18,000 gay couples married in California before Prop 8 was passed.

The vid is titled "Fidelity", after the song by Regina Spektor that serves as soundtrack. Many blogs are calling it "Don't Divorce Us", after the message of the vid. But I think I like the tag line best.

Love will prevail.

If you love someone, several someones, family, friends, lovers, whomever, tell 'em. They deserve to know, and all of you deserve love. I'll start: I love each and every one of you, just for putting up with me, let alone all the good you've brought to my life, great and small.

Decision announced on this date in 1973. ( President Obama released a statement: )

Yeah, yeah, I've gotta get out the door. But I keep seeing goofy shit like this:

The Parents Television Council is warning parents about the Britney Spears song "If U Seek Amy" and urging radio stations not to broadcast it because the nonprofit organization believes it "would violate the broadcast indecency law" if aired between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m.

Saying the title phrase quickly out loud produces a sound akin to spelling out the F-word, said PTC president Tim Winter. "There is no misinterpreting the lyrics to this song, and it's certainly not about a girl named Amy," he said of the track, the third single from Spears' new Jive album, "Circus."

"It's one thing for a song with these lyrics to be included on a CD so that fans who wish to hear it can do so, but it's an entirely different matter when this song is played over the publicly-owned airwaves, especially at a time when children are likely to be in the listening audience," Winter says.

The fucking goddamn economy is collapsing, we're in two motherfucking wars, and you're worried about Britney Spears being a potty-mouth.

This is, literally, kids giggling over a hidden dirty word. Or maybe gaping in wonder at the (gasp!) nipples exposed in an old National Geographic. Or a double-entendre from Paul Lynde or Charles Nelson Reilly or Dean Martin.

This ain't shit. The only people being harmed by "dirty" words are you, when you swallow your own tongue in shock hearing them. Lighten the fuck up. Better yet, go find a nice little production of Guys and Dolls to pretend you live in, mmkay? Not only do you not have a sense of proportion, you have no sense of... well, you have no sense. Not a goddamn scrap of it.

A national holiday in the US, celebrating the life and work of the man born January 15, 1929. A day of reflection, service, and dedication to civil rights.

Anything in particular you doing for the day?

Abortion donuts.

ETA: A number of people are mentioning how they want to give money to Krispy Kreme, even though they don't like donuts or are diabetic. Might I suggest either getting a box of donuts the next day for friends, or simply giving money to Planned Parenthood?

I've got my problems with Rev. Al Sharpton. But when he gets going, he is one of the only figures out there who can speak truth to power in such a way that you simply cannot ignore it. And this -- at the Human Rights Ecumenical Service in Atlanta -- is as good as it gets:

I am tired... of seeing ministers who will preach homophobia by day, and then after they're preaching, when the lights are off they go cruising for trade.... We know you're not preaching the Bible, because if you were preaching the Bible we would have heard from you. We would have heard from you when people were starving in California--when they deregulated the economy and crashed Wall Street you had nothing to say. When [accused Ponzi scammer Bernie] Madoff made off with the money, you had nothing to say. When Bush took us to war chasing weapons of mass destruction that weren't there you had nothing to say.

But all of a sudden, when Proposition 8 came out, you had so much to say, but since you stepped in the rain, we gonna step in the rain with you....

There is something immoral and sick about using all of that power to not end brutality and poverty, but to break into people's bedrooms and claim that God sent you. It amazes me when I looked at California and saw churches that had nothing to say about police brutality, nothing to say when a young black boy was shot while he was wearing police handcuffs, nothing to say when they overturned affirmative action, nothing to say when people were being [relegated] into poverty, yet they were organizing and mobilizing to stop consenting adults from choosing their life partners.

Yeah.

The Daily Kos has a whole lot of chatter on even unimportant stuff. When something really frickin' huge happens, like, say, Israel and Hamas having a little throwdown, it can be daunting just to keep up.

Truly, I have never taken a side in any conflict involving Israel, except the one that fervently hopes they will stop killing each other. And, given all the snarling on all sides right now, I really agree with this.

The world is a really screwed-up place.

I mean, really. Priorities are so far out of whack that it's gonna take a long time and a lot of effort to fix everything. Several blog stories caught my attention this morning, and they each highlight something about how our country works at this point.

( Nothing really good, I must admit.... )

( I've been thinking a lot about this one.... )

From Holy Bullies and Headless Monsters:

I keep hearing all of this nonsense about us lgbts attacking people, about us using intimidation and violence to oppress people, about us somehow being ugly aggressors.

Newt Gingrich (who wrote the book on deceptive messaging during his tenure in the U.S. House of Representatives) actually accused us of being "secular fascists."...

Where were you when Jerry Falwell exploited the AIDS crisis to generate more money for the Moral Majority? Or when those dying of AIDS were cast out of their communities and excommunicated from their churches?...

How is it that you can dare call us aggressive when for over 30 years, you have done everything in your power to make America hate and fear us?...

This ain’t just about marriage. Nor is this a single moment in time.

We are not the aggressors. We are learning to fight back.

When I was coming out, it wasn’t the fact that I was gay that bothered me more than the knowledge that so many had already written my life for me; told me who I was, what I liked, what I didn’t like, and even where I was going after I died.

Worst of all, they had the nerve to tell me that I had absolutely no rights to the words "values," "family," "tradition," or "honor."

And you know what the saddest thing about this is? I was not alone. Hundreds of thousands of lgbts went through the same experience. It was our "rite of passage."

So while I may not have a media spin machine behind me and therefore very few will give a damn about what I say, while I may not be a member of a religious think tank who is presently working to use this moment to again dehumanize lgbts, and while I may not be considered as a "leading gay talking head," I am an American, a human being, and a child of God....

(h/t AmericaBlog)

South Carolina priest says people who supported Barack Obama should "do penance" before taking communion, or their souls are at risk. It'd be nice if the Catholic Church's tax-exempt status were at risk, but I'm not counting on that.

I don't suppose any of these people have considered that maybe it was their God's will that Obama should win...? I mean, He is God, and all. You'd think He could rig an election His way if He really wanted. Of course, if He did want Obama to win, what would that say about the beliefs of the priests, and how qualified they are to interpret their God and lead their flock and get all that donation money and...?

Ahhhhhh. Undahstanding dawns, grasshoppah.

ETA: And here I thought I was just being generically snarky about the money.

(h/t hbruton)

On Prop 8. Warning: intense and emotional.