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DOCTOR WHO: DAY OF THE DOCTOR Discussion Thread

Spoilers, sweetie.

ETA: Link fixed. Stupid link.

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Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 12:05 am (UTC)
lemmozine

Watching it now (starting with the fan show) - this will be the first time I've watched the show since Tom Baker left. I've also somehow got a ticket to see the 3D version on Monday. Not a big fan, obviously, but I can't resist the hype.

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 12:44 am (UTC)
hms42

The link above is broken. Good show, I suspect it will make the Hugo ballot, but I am not sure if it will win.

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 03:38 am (UTC)
redaxe

It wouldn't surprise me if both this and the prequel (the short Night of the Doctor) were nominated, and it would surprise me if, given two nominations, at least one didn't win. They're both quite good.

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 04:10 am (UTC)
hms42

Different categories, but yes. A key thing to the Doctor's advantage for 2014, the Worldcon is in London.

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 05:41 am (UTC)
markbernstein

Nope, same category. Day of the Doctor is 80 minutes, so it's still Short Form.

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 02:08 am (UTC)
maiac

[I'M ASSUMING SPOILERS ARE OKAY. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.]

I watched it twice. I enjoyed it more the second time (but I still didn't like the scenes with Queen Elizabeth I, and I think the actress was miscast in that role). I enjoyed the return of Bad Wolf, the fez as comic relief, and the Doctors interacting with each other. ("They're screwdrivers! What are you going to do, assemble a cabinet at them?")

I was glad the Brigadier's daughter was in the episode, since the Brigadier himself couldn't be. I really like Osgood. It would be lovely if she showed up in a future episode, though that seems unlikely.

I love the scene with The Curator.
"I never forget a face."
"You may find yourself revisiting a few, or an old favorite." Hmmmm...

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 07:51 pm (UTC)
purpleranger

I remember in one of the trailers the scene where Tennant and Smith are essentially comparing the size of their sonic screwdrivers -- and laughing my head off at all the Freudian implications therein.

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 08:15 pm (UTC)
maiac

Ten actually said something about "compensating".

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 02:16 am (UTC)
ericcoleman

It was so nice to see my Doctor again. I heard that voice and could barely sit still

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 03:04 am (UTC)
smparadox

I am looking forward to getting to watch it when Space re-shows it - oh wait, they are refusing to do so, filling the next fifteen hours with repeats of all the Doctor Revisited drek they've been showing to build anticipation for the past three months. But repeat the actual program, so people who work might get the chance to see it? Nooo, that would be crazy...

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 03:48 am (UTC)
redaxe

In many ways the episode can be summed up by three lines of dialogue:

“Geronimo!”

“Allons-y!”

“Oh for god’s sake…“


There was quite a lot to like, from the Brig's daughter to the homages to the original Doctors. Not perfect, but what is?

If you haven't seen it, I strongly recommend going to watch The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot, with Peter Davison and a host of others. Half an hour or so of laughs for any Who fan (or at least any who knows stuff outside the last three Doctors).

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 02:18 pm (UTC)
maiac

Ah! I was just going to post a link to "The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot". It was great fun. (With bonus John Barrowman!)

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 03:04 pm (UTC)
redaxe

It was the non-DW star-quality guests that blew me away (not for their roles, just for their appearances). Also, too, those WERE Hugo Awards on the ledge (or was that windowsill) in the editing scene, right? (The BAFTAs were front and center; the Hugos, not so much.)

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 05:13 pm (UTC)
maiac

I'm guessing Peter Jackson and Ian McKellen (who immediately come to mind) thought it was great fun.

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 05:22 pm (UTC)
redaxe

Those are the ones I had in mind. Can't be bad publicity, either, with another installment of The Hobbit:The-Super-Duper-Extended-With-Every-Extra-Bit-Tolkien-Ever-Wrote-Version, Part 2 of HOW MANY? being released soon.

Edited at 2013-11-24 05:22 pm (UTC)

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 05:25 pm (UTC)
maiac

I had to go back and view the editing scene again. If those aren't Hugos in the background, they're something that uses the exact same rocketship.

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 05:40 am (UTC)
lemmozine

Finally watched it. Slightly better than the series I was watching in the 80s. I quit watching it because the pacing seemed dreadfully slow, and the production values seemed cheap and tacky. This seemed more like a slowed-down version of Hitchhiker, with jokes that weren't as silly or funny. It probably won't get me watching the show again. The coolest thing was the bit in the preshow about how to make an edible dalek out of cookies. Hoping some clever con suite runner gets the idea.

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 06:16 am (UTC)
redaxe

Not Daleks made of cookies (alas!) but includes some cookie Daleks. And some pretty awesome cakework, even if you don't like the show. Enjoy!

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 05:27 pm (UTC)
smparadox

You should watch the 2005 rebirth. Chris Eccleston is still my favorite Doctor, having managed to displace Tom Baker.

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 04:42 pm (UTC)
lukeski

I LOVED IT. A question of continuity is bugging me though...

Quoting from Wikipedia's entry on the the 2 part episode "The End Of Time"...

"...Gallifrey, which presently is "timelocked" in the middle of a Time War, shortly before its destruction, a fate which it is otherwise unable to escape. Gallifrey materializes above Earth..."

Doesn't this contradict what happens in "The Day Of The Doctor"?

So, were Lord President Rassilon Timothy Dalton and the rest of his Time Lords escaping from the frozen-in-time pocket universe that the 13 Doctors created in "The Day Of The Doctor"? And if so, shouldn't the 10th Doctor not be able to remember that Gallifrey (which is not destroyed and just is peachy keen fine) is trapped in the frozen-in-time pocket universe?

Or are the 'Dalton Gang' of top-tier governmental Timelords and just their city trapped in a different "timelocked" bubble that the Doctor created during the war, putting them (and their Gallifrey?) on a different timeline and/or pocket universe than the rest of Gallifrey, which is what was saved in "The Day Of The Doctor"?

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 04:55 pm (UTC)
maiac

It's all timey-wimey, wibbly-wobbly. So, the answer to your questions is "Yes."

Sun, Nov. 24th, 2013 04:57 pm (UTC)
james_the_evil1

THANK YOU. I'm glad I'm not the only one who wondered about that.
My only assumption, tho, is that it was a different bubble since that group KNEW what was going to happen to them & created The Master as a pawn to help them escape.

Tue, Nov. 26th, 2013 04:24 am (UTC)
louisadkins

They attempted to shift Gallifrey forward. This attempt was, if you recall, specifically scheduled before the Doctor would have pushed the big, red, button. (The Council knew that the Doctor was getting ready to blow it all to hell.) When that attempt failed, the planet was left where it was. Queue the 50th Anniversary solution. It does flow, just very tight. :)

Mon, Nov. 25th, 2013 05:02 am (UTC)
redneckgaijin

My reax here, though Tom already knows: http://redneckgaijin.livejournal.com/582994.html