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Sun, Sep. 29th, 2013, 11:38 am
The ACA, Again

I certainly don't expect a lot of my politically-right-leaning friends to read this exhaustive article in the Daily Kos about how the Republican party has fought against the Affordable Care Act with lies, disinformation, and more lies; I expect even fewer to think about it. But I thought it was worth it to at least have the information out here, where you can find it.

Discuss it to your heart's content. I will not join in. Please be polite, no personal attacks on other commenters -- we're all friends here.

This entry was originally posted at http://filkertom.dreamwidth.org/1640841.html. You may comment there or here, although LJ tends to have a livelier conversation at this time.

Sun, Sep. 29th, 2013 04:39 pm (UTC)
lizziecrowe: It's less about Republicans in principle...

The cheif politicians in charge of this fear campaign were bought and sold by insurance companies. THEY are the ones who truly fear Obamacare. They've increased profits over the bodies of tens of thousands of patients, and Obamacare would put a serious kibosh on that.

The Republican politicians may or may not be in favor of Obamacare, but they are in favor of being VERY well paid by insurance companies to vote against it. They perpetuate the lies and disinformation fed to them by insurance companies regardless of personal belief or knowledge because they get paid.

Ted Cruz even admitted, after him 22-hour rant (which included the infamous 'Green Eggs and Ham' reference. I'm still laughing), that the american people will actually like Obamacare. In essence, he admitted that he's blowing smoke. Good for him, but bad for the fear-mongering.

The thing that always bothers me about this fight is that the people who are kicking and screaming the most about this are the lower income Republicans who spout whatever their leaders feed them. They're fighting AGAINST their own best interests, but they'll never listen to someone telling them that because their leaders are the new gods. It's sad, really.

Sun, Sep. 29th, 2013 04:59 pm (UTC)
murphymom: Re: It's less about Republicans in principle...

Lower income, less educated, primarily living in the places most damaged by Republican "leadership" over decades - and, to be honest, with a fair bit of underlying racism as well. Sigh - I number several of them in my own family.

Sun, Sep. 29th, 2013 05:36 pm (UTC)
alverant

I heard that Republicans are more likely to be against "Obamacare" than the
"Affordable Care Act" even though they are the same thing. It's like they are only against it because it has the President's name on it.

Mon, Sep. 30th, 2013 03:02 am (UTC)
dragonmakr

IIRC, the study or polling showed that 14% of Republicans who were asked approved of Obamacare; 22% approved of the Affordable Care Act. If I don't recall correctly, then the numbers aren't quite as high on approval of the ACA.

Tue, Oct. 1st, 2013 01:47 pm (UTC)
alverant

Technically that's a 50% increase in support. Something to annoy the cons with.

Sun, Sep. 29th, 2013 05:58 pm (UTC)
starcat_jewel

All you have to do to get people to love Obamacare is call it something else. In KY, they're calling it "Kynect" and it's getting highly-favorable responses -- from the same people who elected Rand Paul.

Sun, Sep. 29th, 2013 06:30 pm (UTC)
teddywolf

Well, this way they have it all: they get to rail against government overreach, demonize President Obama, still have the healthcare they decry, and claim that the healthcare they're still railing against was all their own idea.

Tue, Oct. 1st, 2013 08:21 pm (UTC)
lone_cat

Yep, DKos notes that the exchange websites have gotten so much traffic that they have been swamped at times. As for Kynect, it notes that over 1000 applications had been processed by 9:30 am today.

Mon, Sep. 30th, 2013 12:22 am (UTC)
mimiheart

I was doing the youtube 'how did I get here?' thing the other day, and watched a video of this woman say how Obamacare had somehow or another caused her to pay thousands of dollars more a month for her two chronically ill kids than she had been paying before. I was watching and all I could think was, your doing it wrong. She was saying that EVERY doctor she had spoken to, every nurse, every billing and insurance agent was saying what a horrible thing this was. That she had gone from paying about $100 a month for her sons' care to $5000 in the past two years, all because of Obamacare. It's ALL his fault.

Now, putting aside the unprofessionality of any doctor who would talk about politics with his patients, since I have become quite close with my son's doctors, who also has a severe medical condition, I can't for the life of me figure out what she's been doing for the last two years that she wasn't doing before that would have made the cost of medical care for her kids go UP like that. If they were on insurance, they should have stayed on insurance, they wouldn't have been kicked off. Pre-existing coverage for kids was mandated. She would have had to change her policy in order for that to have happened and then blamed it on ACA.

Now, there are other factors which could have been in play, jobs and whatnot, premiums going up, whatever, but all of that two years ago wasn't ACA, at least not directly. And if you have a chronically ill child, there are ALL sorts of government programs that will help. But the republicans keep defunding those.

Mon, Sep. 30th, 2013 01:11 am (UTC)
alverant

ACA hasn't been implemented yet so how could it make someone pay more?

I think the video is a bunch of right-wing propaganda.

Mon, Sep. 30th, 2013 01:13 am (UTC)
mimiheart

Parts of it have been implemented. For example, insurance companies can no longer say kids with pre-existing conditions can be excluded from coverage or charge an absurd rate for kids with pre-existing conditions. (Had lots of fun experiences with that one.)

Mon, Sep. 30th, 2013 02:41 am (UTC)
gardnerhill

All I want is for the President to advocate deep breathing.

Rush and the other Squealers on the right will instantly relabel it ObamaAir and say that no REAL American should give in to that KenyanMooslim-endorsed nanny-state lung-tampering. The Idiocrats will lap it up.

And we'll be a single-party country in 4 minutes.

Tue, Oct. 1st, 2013 12:13 am (UTC)
murphymom

I need a "Like" button for this -and for your icon. :-)

Mon, Sep. 30th, 2013 07:48 pm (UTC)
liddle_oldman

I, honest to the absent gods, do not understand why. Are their billionaire lords really that zero-sum based? Are they just that horrified that a not-entirely-white president might accomplish something? Is it that they really internalized Ayn Rand's dictum "Sharing is for suckers"?

I don't, I really don't, understand.

(I'm a Unitarian from Boston -- I literally do not know a single conservative to ask.)

Edited at 2013-09-30 07:49 pm (UTC)

Tue, Oct. 1st, 2013 06:29 pm (UTC)
deor

I think they are that horrified. They've been trying to get him impeached since the day he was elected; some of them have even admitted that they will oppose anything he is for, just because he is for is, and that they are willing to wreck the economy just to be able to blame it on him. They are insane.

Thu, Oct. 3rd, 2013 09:42 pm (UTC)
full_metal_ox

It occurs to me that Senator Ted Cruz may have picked the wrong Dr. Seuss story--it should've been the Right-Going and Left-Going Zax.