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Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013, 09:55 am
Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na
Thoughts?This entry was originally posted at http://filkertom.dreamwidth.org/1637750.html. You may comment there or here, although LJ tends to have a livelier conversation at this time.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 02:09 pm (UTC)
Eh, whatever. He'll make a handsome Bruce Wayne, that's for sure!
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 02:15 pm (UTC)
lizziecrowe: Mixed feelings
Two words: DARE DEVIL. It was AWFUL. The script was awful, the stunts were uninteresting, and to be honest, Ben Affleck wasn't that good. Jennifer Garner in that outfit, however.... nevermind.
Anyways, I'm somewhat willing to give it a chance. If he has a good script, he'll manage (Thanks, Eric. good point). But if it's even REMOTELY under par... OY.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 02:49 pm (UTC)
filkertom: Re: Mixed feelings
Oh, you sweet, naive darling
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 03:01 pm (UTC)
blaisepascal: Re: Mixed feelings
It's a Superman film. Perhaps I'm unfamiliar with modern DC stuff, but I've never gotten the impression that Batman in titles with non-Batman-based heros (like Superman, WW, Flash, JLA, etc) is nearly as dark as Batman in Batman-based titles.
As such, I don't think it's a problem if Affleck isn't as dark a Batman as Christian Bale, or even Val Kilmer, Michael Keaton, or George Clooney.
If he can't achieve Adam West levels of darkness, though, we have a problem.
Thu, Aug. 29th, 2013 12:27 pm (UTC)
catamariner: Re: Mixed feelings
MPE!!! Adam West... Affleck... no problem!
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 02:56 pm (UTC)
filkertom: Re: Mixed feelings
I actually liked Daredevil
. Perfect, no -- but better than it probably had a right to be. Biggest problem was trying to throw in a number of themes that had been built up over the years.
waiting for Marvel Studios to get around to adapting Daredevil: Born Again
. The rights reverted to them late last year, and that would be a great
film. All they have to do is follow the damn comic -- already scripted and storyboarded for them.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 03:38 pm (UTC)
alverant: Re: Mixed feelings
Do you think comic book movies would be better if they translated actual story arcs instead of trying to create their own mythology and continuity? Do we really need a back-story and origin movie? Like what about Marvel's "Operation Galactic Storm" where the Avengers had to keep Earth from getting caught in the crossfire in a Kree-Shair war. It involved a lot of heroes and there wouldn't be time to explain each one so they don't. They just present the plot and let the characters act.
Wed, Aug. 28th, 2013 03:18 am (UTC)
I'd love to see more non-origin movies. No hero origin, no villain origin, just focus on a strong plot.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 03:18 pm (UTC)
blackpaladin: Re: Mixed feelings
> Jennifer Garner in that outfit, however.... nevermind.
Hence the entire reason why the Elektra movie made even as little money as it did. I admit that I went to see that movie with a bi F/F couple, and all three of us were exulting in the guilty-pleasure fact that we were sitting through that dreck for one reason and one reason only... ;)
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 03:23 pm (UTC)
lizziecrowe: Re: Mixed feelings
Couldn't agree more. The Elektra movie was a LOSS, regardless of the outfits.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 03:42 pm (UTC)
Can he channel Mr.Furious from when he did Mystery Men?
Maybe this will be a light hearted movie like the big screen version of Batman Brave and Bold.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 04:43 pm (UTC)
I forgot that was him.
Love that film, but probably more than it deserves.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 05:05 pm (UTC)
Nah, that film is under-rated. It deserves all the love you can give it.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 05:55 pm (UTC)
That was Ben Stiller
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 06:58 pm (UTC)
Oops. Well maybe they should put him in the role then.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 04:34 pm (UTC)
That's about as dumb as hiring a comedian like Michael Keaton or Robert Downey Jr. to play superheroes. ;p
Having never seen anything with Affleck in it, I'll reserve my judgement until the reviews start coming in.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 04:42 pm (UTC)
I have seen something like two Affleck films. One was Chasing Amy, and when I left the theater I said "he will be a star someday." The other was Good Will Hunting. His choice of projects since then has just not led me to the theater or even the video library/streaming service. But everything I hear about him now says he is talented and smart. I will not prejudge him for any role.
And remember how much noise there was about Michael Keaton playing the part? And that was before the Internet. I still love his weird take on Batman. So there is always room for talented actors to do what they can with classic roles. (Think how many Sherlock Holmeses there have been.)
My qualms are more to do with yet another Batman film; with Zack Snyder doing this film when nothing I know about Man of Steel makes me want to see it; and with Warner Bros. essentially making a conservative casting choice to go with a conservative film that uses the same two heroes again and ignores everyone else in the DC canon (especially Wonder Woman). I have very little desire to see Supes and Batman duking it out. And given that Dark Knight Rises ended an arc, I can't see any reason to start over again.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 05:07 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it's too soon for another Batman reboot.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 07:32 pm (UTC)
The DC movie I would love to see that will never be made is The Elongated Man
. I consider him much cooler than Reed Richards and much less of a jerk than Plastic Man; also, mystery crossovers FTW. But he's virtually unknown in the wider culture, so they'll never even consider him.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 09:24 pm (UTC)
I would like to see a TV series where each episode focuses on a different DC hero, from deadly serious Wonder Woman to extremely silly Ambush Bug.
Sat, Aug. 24th, 2013 05:50 pm (UTC)
Only if they get someone really REALLY
good to play Sue Dibny. An Elongated Man movie without Sue would be like making a Sherlock Holmes movie without Watson. Ralph may have the stretching powers, but Sue is an equal partner.
Wed, Aug. 28th, 2013 03:21 am (UTC)
This is a building block to a wider DC Universe, though. Yeah, Superman and Batman are very familiar, but we haven't seen them in live action together. And then there's Ollie and Barry on the small screen...
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 04:42 pm (UTC)
Bruce Wayne is a handsome aloof millionaire who no one takes seriously, known for dating many beautiful women. How is Affleck a bad choice?
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 05:57 pm (UTC)
It's not quite the "...well of COURSE he is!" level of (type)casting as RDJ as Tony Stark, but you may be onto something here.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 08:55 pm (UTC)
OT do you still have physical copies of "Worst Tribute Ever"? I'm a bad procrastinator and have been meaning to order one for a while.
Fri, Aug. 23rd, 2013 09:22 pm (UTC)
Remember when Heath Ledger was announced for the new Joker? Oh, the outrage! The flame wars! The betrayal of all that is holy! Then the movie came out and all those people scrambled to delete their old forum posts so they could be replaced with "I always knew Heath would be perfect for the Joker."
So I'm going to wait and see.
Sat, Aug. 24th, 2013 11:36 am (UTC)
Y'know, everyone cast in the role has brought something unique and different and, depending on your point of view, some far better and far worse. I'm intrigued to see where it ends up.
Sat, Aug. 24th, 2013 03:17 pm (UTC)
Honestly I don't like the idea but since I'm not going to see the next Man of Steel anyway it doesn't bother me as much. I haven't even seen the current Man of Steel for a variety of reasons, most of which have to do with the writer's total lack of understanding of Superman as a character. (I think it was Christopher Nolan, I could be wrong)
As for the previous actors? Well that's going to come down to a matter of personal taste. I thought that Michael Keaton did a great job as Batman and Bruce Wayne in the first Batman movie. The second was way too dark for my taste, and because Batman shouldn't be straight up murdering people. Val Kilmer was at least passable, but Shumacher was approaching things from the Adam West version of Batman and by the time George Clooney had gotten to playing him it was so bad that they nearly killed the franchise.
Then there was Christian Bale. This is a hard one because so many people love the Christopher Nolan Batman movies, and I do think the first two are alright. Heath Ledger does make a great Joker, but I do have problems with the movies that keep me from thinking that they're the best Batman movies that they could be. Part of this is the attempt to ground them in realism. I'm sorry that just bothers me, it's supposed to be a superhero movie. I get that Nolan wanted to approach it differently and I can respect that, but it's just not what I, personally, like.
Mon, Aug. 26th, 2013 02:39 pm (UTC)
I read all the "Batman is ruined forever!" posts and can't help put think of two words. (Well, one name.)
Remember all the "Brokeback Mountain" jokes, and how Ledger was going to destroy the concept of the Joker for all time? Then, all those same people said they knew all along he'd define the role. Yeah, right.
Am I saying that Affleck is as good as Ledger was? No. What I am saying is that the guy deserves a change to give it a shot to make it his own, and ignore all the idiots who say "Mr Mom will never make a good Batman, and don't get me started about Nicholson!"
Give him a chance is all I'm saying.
Mon, Aug. 26th, 2013 05:23 pm (UTC)
I approve! It'd be made even better if directed by Kevin Smith... :)